 My milan, hi, hello, good evening, miss afternoon. I'm xie qing. Yes, hi, good evening. Last week. We did the research together. Thanks a lot for contribution. Yes, no problem. Today, I will have a several simple questions about how you use the meanwhile, useful cup at home. I guess. So it will take you around 10 to 15 minutes if how do you feel about using the reusable cup in your home? It was okay. I I i've made a photo for you, so I will send you later. Great. Thank you so much. And ii didn't eat a lot of cookies. That's fine. I finished it today, the cookies in it were still fresh. And that's what I wanted to test as well. How fresh will they be? So for right, I shouldn't be eating them all at once. I'm I don't have a dishwasher. 
So it's now on the, how would you say the uh indication to clean it? So this cup is actually not suitable for the dishwasher. Yeah, I didn't look at that so yeah. I don't have these washers. Yeah. But I think if I had a dishwasher yeah, I wouldn't have looked for it, whether it would be suitable for it. Because now the instructions on the club, the stickers and not in english or dutch, it's the language of czech republic. 
Yeah. So I wouldn't have checked it. That's maybe also I think, yeah. Yeah, you said you put it in the kitchen and may I ask in which specific area you put it for me in the covered a bit higher, mhm. Where I also have the coffee and sugar and tea. So really where all the eating stuff is okay okay. Yeah. How do you feel about the cop incorporation to your other food containers at home? 
It's okay, but it's not, ii must confess that my others aren't really, very modern, but if I had to choose a new one yeah, I would have chosen a more modern one. It's a bit simple. Yeah. Then how do you mean by modern? What kind of a better design you? Better design? Okay? So that's what ii meant. Ii told you, ii said modern, but it's really, really basic. Yeah, true. I agree. 
And also, if I had to, for instance, it's more difficult to put another one on it, because it will slide off. I don't know whether the english is correct, but it means not stable to stocks. Yes. Yeah. Yes, that's true. But it's like material. And what it's okay is that you really have to screw it that it's a screw closure. So you really have to screw it. Good. Yeah. That's perfect, because if it falls down footballs, then it won't be empty at once. So that's plus. Yeah, because I have one for also for keeping my coffee fresh. But if that one falls down or falls on on underground or on that, I don't know what the name is of the sink. Missing. 
For instance, everything is empty. And that's the advantage of this cup. Yeah. That it will still be closed. Yeah. Then uh, if i'm talking too fast, no, it's very clear, and it's a very good speed yeah okay okay. So if that is possible, would you like to shop again using the system in the future? Maybe if I could buy this or use this here, you can just to be honest, it's no problem. I don't know. And why is that? Ii think it should be. I ii know that the smell, et cetera, is okay. But maybe this one is too small, and it's too simple. I think if I have to refill it, also you have to bring it to the shop. Yeah. And it would be easier if you can use a container which doesn't have we how should i call it, which doesn't have a lot of space occupied in your back. 
Yeah. Yeah, so maybe you because as aas a cyclist, i'm a cyclist, so I don't go a shopping by car, mhm. And a society she want to use this and bring as much as possible. 
Yeah. But then it's more difficult. It would be easier if I can fold it. And then even if it's a sustainable. Yeah. So you would prefer the containers which is easy for you to carry and don't call exactly too much space. Yeah, even if it's then really not, how should I put it? Not really modern or maybe it's even modern to have something like a harmonica model or something. But you can feel and if it's empty, you can push it back again and then you fill it. And what it is, a harmonica or a monica. I'm not sure which word you mentioned. It's full folding like it is it like is. That how would I call it for the translation? Thank you so much. 
So it's you can fold it. You mean, to yes? Yes, like so looking hard more like maybe it's even harmonica in english, but I can't translate it in that one. I just the second harmonic and the money down. Yeah, it's not a harmonic. They are searching for another one. I can also send you a picture of. It's a cordial. Yeah, I i'm trying to search the harmonica but it seems like a music instruments, but that's too small. It doesn't show what I accordion, according to know that one. What is it? I don't know the word in dutch from the or maybe you can send a picture with or something the waiver. 
Okay, fire, just a moment, no problem. We will figure out what is it like a fan? Like fine by hand, yes, something like that, a fan, you can fold a fan as well. 
Okay. Yeah, the fun. No, something like that or something. Or what is it in china? You have a lot of lumpy. 
And so I think you can fold, yeah, sure, something like that, but more modern or more stylish yeah. But I think that would be a solution. I think there are some affordable containers in the market. Yeah, it's like when you're go to traveling or go to cycling that you need an empty, but football. Yeah. Then you can get water from the, I get it. Yeah. Even I know like where I have the cup now or headed now, it's more on my vision uh levels. Normally I have, for instance, pastas or beings and more higher level. So then it's easier if you can put in more and even that it's really light, so it falls down easily. But i'm a short person, sir. Okay. But I like it that I could see what's in it. So the transparent is necessary for the container yeah. 
Yes, so last time because you only brought back a small cup with the cookies, yeah and, could you imagine if you had brought several cops, perhaps with other products that you liked to buy in the supermarket, then you will have a lot of reusable cups. 
Then how would you prepare for your next shopping, for your second shopping with a system? What do you mean to buy more or buy a bigger one? Or I no? You can imagine that you already got several reusable car yes. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And how would you uh prepare for your second for your next shopping? Because maybe you need to consider how many cops you need to bring with you. And you need to consider maybe the what kind of product you want to. Yes, probably what I would do um is that if I need a product, I would try to if it's normally a in a bigger one yeah, in the beer cup, I would for the rest in the smaller one. 
And then by that doesn't make sense either. That's a good questions, because ii was thinking I will refill the smaller one with the left over from the bigger, but then I need to bring the bigger one in my back. Yeah, so that's not an idea as well, or I can use one spare and ii should need a spare one to feel the others. That's what I should need. Yeah. So even if i'm thinking about that, then I could just, I only need like what i'm doing now. I only need a few, then use a bag with a refill. I don't need a cup anymore. Because I if I already have sufficient cups, I don't need to bring the cups, but only a small one or a back and do the refilling at home. 
Do you understand what I mean? You will bring, for instance, if I have here in the cupboard, a free or four bigger cups with rice, cookies, or rice, cookies, coffee, and beans, rice, coffee. But for instance, I would is there almost empty? I would say why bother to bring the empty cups? It's better to take a back a small bag or something and do the refill in the back. 
Okay, in the supermarket. So I don't have to bring the cups yeah you. Yeah. I would prefer to put it in a the same product. It's a product is okay in the back and I can do the refilling at home. And then the bag is a reusable one, or you just. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Then the container will be the storage, a tour for you at home. Sure, that's not the principle. That's not where they were thinking. Yeah, but that's what I would do. That's what I would do. And even with the bag and I can myself find how much I want. I can do it away for cup as well. But if I have a bigger cup, I bring it to the store and I just fill it until the half of it, some 1/2. 
Then proof. I have more space used in my bag and empty space in the cup. So that can be more efficient. So i'm interesting, use it a as a storage, okay? Then you just can keep the sufficient containers at home and you use the bags to refuel in the supermarket. And that's also sustainable. Yeah. Yeah, I think that make more sense for you because you're also always writing the back to the supermarket. So bring the back backs more convenient for you. Exactly, yeah. I can if the cup is sustainable and I like the idea and I like the company, and I would come back to do the refill, but I wouldn't bring the cup back because that small. Why? Yes. 
Then maybe I think you will also prefer to use the, yourself, containers, or you can buy whatever containers you want at home yes, and you just do the refueling from the system. Yeah yeah. 
What would be an idea? Another idea is what in the netherlands about 30 or 40 years ago, we have the glass, not really containers, but really for yogurt or milk. We had bottles of glass yeah. Someone would pick it up, feel it. And then that's where you, if they would do a system like that, then I would give mic up, but they can fulfill it or replace it. But if I have to bring it on myself to the supermarket, yeah why, if I can use a paper bag or something else. Yeah. That's true. I understand and we also have the milk like what you said in china, but maybe when I was very young, I think I before I was 10 years ago before I was 10 year 10 years old. Yeah, exactly. And also i'm thinking it's a sustainable concept. I think they want to have this sustainable image more or less mhm, but the cups aren't that sustainable. 
So I would say to the producer or the producer and uh To be more creative on the sustainable aspect of the whole system. Yeah you know and the cops and how the appearance is because people who want to do this are thinking more about the environment than normal. So they will expect more from you, not from you, but from the supplier as well on this um aspect. Yeah, so you mean that perhaps we can show more clues or the indicators on the in a system or on the cup and also on the cup? What is it? Is this also, I know, not, but is it also made from really sustainable material? Yeah, because looks like plastic, it feels like plastic. I know a lot of people who are really into sustainability and thinking about the, planet and the environment. 
They will probably think, but i'm so that sustainable when I have a plastic cup. Yes. Yeah, that's a very good point. That's really what I want to get from the consumers from the participants. Yeah, about the sustainable indicators or the just to inform the consumers. This one is sustainable material and sustainable product. Yeah. Yeah. Yes and no. Ii see very nice indicators or the information is about the sustainable on the couple in the system. That's very great.. But i'm really thinking I want to improve also my carbon footprint. 
So we looking at that. I would that's why I say, okay, then it would be in the cupboard and I would myself use a bag or something else to refill this cup. Yeah. Yes. And do you feel uh your personal, like your personal actions in using the product will have the impact on the environment? I think so yeah yeah. It's even the way i'm living now. Sometimes i'm or i'm going to not to action for instance um. I know a lot of products are from china, but that's not why I i'm i'm not going there a lot, but I know that there are produced at low rates, at low cost yeah, but they even need shipment. 
So sometimes i'm buying the things here in a second hand shop or deciding not to buy something, because because i'm thinking, do I really need it? 
Do I really need a new cup for storage? Or can I just work with the things I have um? Thinking about that is what the advantage of this cup is that it's non breakable? Yeah. Because I do have some storage jars and their glass. 
That's a bit of a problem if it falls. Yeah, true. Because then the ingredients are contaminated with glass. Most of the times you have your beings or coffee, somewhere so the above of you, mhm. If it falls, then you have a different kind of story. You can throw everything away. That's really the good thing and that this isn't class. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I keep on talking yeah oh. It's really great. It's a best participant. But it's a problem. We have15 minutes and we're already talking out there. If you are fine, then I will be very heavy into talk. I'm just thinking about it. 
Now, if I have a story small on top, then it falls down. I have a problem. I'm thinking about the glass yard right now, gee, yeah. And for now, how do you distinguish, how many like the impact you can make for the environment. Because like the reusing the packaging, maybe you just have the feelings that you are contribute to the environment. But do you feel it's not very visible or you couldn't really know how much you couldn't calculate how much you contribute to the environment? That's a difficult thing with this one. Yeah. I know because of the refill that I I will have more impact um. But really, how much impact I do have, I don't know. And maybe they should communicate more about that. That's why I want to understand the I want to ask this question just to know, because now the communication on the sustainability is quite limited in the system. 
So perhaps consumers they just use it and have the good feeling on the reuse product, but they actually maybe don't think they contribute to the environment. They just have the good feeling to do it. Yeah, because you you don't really have the feeling. Well, I really do have an impact um because I don't know exactly how much waste normally is spent on all the packaging and transport of the like products in the containers because of probably the most how would you say, the efforts which have more most impact will be those of the containers and the distribution. Yes, true. Instead of me buying it. So I think or how would I say still me buying it, but because of it's in containers, you don't need paper, you don't need plastics, in in, your packaging. You don't need ink in your packaging. 
So there are a lot of games on that area for the distributor and producer. Maybe even. I don't know, as a consumer, you would like to see that back in the price, because sometimes you really expect a a higher price, yeah for these products, but it could be that it's not necessary to have a higher price because you save on packaging yeah and transport, for instance, yes. 
I'm really being creative, right? It's great. I wish you do like this. Yeah, because it's not for the give the compliment to the system is to figure out what we can improve and make it better for consumers to use it and use it a in a long time. It's not just to try once. They need to keep using it to achieve the sustainability. 
Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Yes, exactly yeah yeah. So for me, I would use it but differently. Yeah, differently. And what we talked about last week, it didn't get out of my head was about the herbs. The herb said to me, it would be great if I can get herbs and spices somewhere to refill. Yeah. Yes, then perhaps we can have a smaller size of the both the cup and also the containers in the refuel station in the machine. I exactly, I maybe even bigger um but differently. Yeah, so this is too big. The smallest one is too big, but uh uh, the spy, the pots or the cups for the spices. 
Mhm. In my opinion, every time it's too small in in holland. So all about what is it 10, 15 grams or something? Yeah. Come on from peppers and it's glass. Yeah, I also have one the glass small little cluster for the herbs for the spicy powder. Yeah, but I have the feeling when I throw away the container is quite new. It's almost the the new one for the packaging itself. Exactly. I have, for instance, of biological basilica. It's glass, it's plastic, and maybe even in 10 times, it's already empty. And I need a new one. Yeah, it's true. That's stupid. I will keep in mind for the herbs. I think it's there are a huge potential behind that yeah yeah. Maybe you can start your own production line. I I know your phd i'm not the designer, I couldn't produce anything, probably wouldn't either keep it with science true. 
Okay, then I still have two questions, but I think you already answered part of them. The one question is after having use a system and cop, do you feel different towards buying the product in single use packaging when you go to the supermarket after this research? Do you have some new consideration or you rethink about the single use packaging? After this research? I'm looking differently not because of this typical cut, but i'm thinking, do I need to buy all the products in separate packaging? Or can I look at it more? Also from a sustainable angle? That's true. That's very good to hear. 
Okay, then the last question, could you imagine this will become our mean shopping approach for the groceries in the future for most of the packaged food on the shelf to the moment? Yes, I can imagine that perhaps for the fresh food or for the like the meat, the vegetable is not very suitable, but for the package product on the shelf. Could you imagine for a lot of packaged food, for the fluids, it's or the liquids? It's more difficult. Yeah. For instance, on corn or something in water or even for vegetables, little system. No, the system, but I I do know we need to. And luckily there are a lot of plastic backs less than a few years ago. Yeah, but we really do need to do something about that. And even why do we need all the plastic bottles for coca cola and stuff? Why can't we refill it ourselves in a shop? 
For instance? Yes, maybe it's messy. And it's a lot of distribution and things, but why not yeah? Yeah, why not? Maybe in the future, they will have some new product that you can. Maybe i'm just do the brainstorming to have some like the tablet, and then you can fill it with the water to make the coca cola by yourself. Yes, or even what we do right now already with lemonade. Yeah, yes, with the syrup, for lemonade. 
And I have to buy a new bottle, the next time, a new bottle, even if they have a lemonade top, so lemonade, you have to mix the syrup with water. If they have a, lemonade, top, top, I will use it, and then I will bring the same, probably to the store. That's weird. 
Even for lemonade, I would go to the store, but for a cup, with dried matter um, I don't want to bring it to the store. That's weird. Yeah, so talking about the products, we had right now, the cookies and the beans and stuff. I'm saying, no, I wonder back, but if it's for lemonade or syrup or whatever, I would say, I will, I want to reuse my bottle um. Yeah. We're thinking that's a real consumers behavior. Yeah, that's real because you were being here. Yeah. 
Okay. That's a lot of things we can discuss about. I think we can keep on talking for 2 hours. Yeah. Yeah, so that's all my questions that I prepared. But if you want to discuss about some other ideas that, I will be more than happy to do that. And these were also my good, yeah. My thoughts about it yeah. And I talked about a few other people about it as well. I said it was just great. Yeah. I was helping in research as a consumer. Yeah. Thank you so much. That's really great that's, really great. Yeah. Okay, I think maybe if you are interested in this research, I could share with you after I have the analyze or I have published some articles about this research that will share with that would be great and I will send you the photo from the counter in the coverage. 
Thank you so much. You can just send where the email, I think I send you the invitation before, so you will get just yeah, a senior email address. Good, thank you so much and have a nice evening. Yes, you too, and good luck with the research. And i'm i'm really curious about the findings and the results okay and conclusions. Of course, we are always welcome you to join our future research, so we can meet again in the faculty. Okay, ii take care all the coffee things and good luck and go get them. I would say, yeah, thank you so much. Okay, bye bye bye, bye, bye bye you, too. Bye bye. 